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    Supercharger....

    Ive ben looking around lately and i think i have my mind set on putting a blower on the 540.. just not set on a specific company yet since Ive heard good and bad about both vf , and ess .. id like some of your guys input on this..

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    There isn't a huge selection to choose from but I would prefer a positive displacement setup.

    ESS uses an Eaton I believe and VF goes Vortech. So, you can choose based on that right there. These will both offer very different power delivery.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Beast5 Click here to enlarge
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    Ive ben looking around lately and i think i have my mind set on putting a blower on the 540.. just not set on a specific company yet since Ive heard good and bad about both vf , and ess .. id like some of your guys input on this..
    Also, take a look at this: http://www.bimmerboost.com/content.p...percharger-Kit

    @Andrew@activeautowerke

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    I don't know if you're going to install it yourself and where you're situated, but support is everyting.
    Send them an email, requesting a builders manual etc, see what you get and how they react.
    If you get clear answers and fast, good help, it's an indication how they will help you once the kit has been sold
    Because it's likely you will call them if you have no experience in installing these kits. Most of the time something is not clear in the manual, or something doesn't fit like it should do etc. It's more an adventure than an installation Click here to enlarge (depending on the complexity of the kit off course)
    ESS doesn't mention any kit anymore in their webshop. (I think they used to have a vortech V3si kit)

    I don't know if there's a positive displacement option on the market. It might suit the relatively low revving V8's both in performance and benefits to daily driving.

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    Here is a vid you might like:


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    I have seen photo's and video of people who mounted jaguar xkr superchargers on a m62, which looks as good as superchargerporn gets Click here to enlarge
    I don't think there are commercial solutions for that already (also don't know what performance is etc, but it sure looks good!)

    These setups:


    (don't be fooled by the alpina emblem; it's a jaguar unit based on an eaton m112)

    http://www.ebay.de/itm/160793109816

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by GuidoK Click here to enlarge
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    who mounted jaguar xkr superchargers on a m62
    That's a very inefficient supercharger.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
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    That's a very inefficient supercharger.
    You mean being a rootes charger? (at least I think its rootes, being eaton Click here to enlarge)

    Maybe, but that will cost you perhaps 15hp on top performance.

    That said a twinscrew is also less efficient than a cetrifugal. It will cost you maybe 4hp more on peak perfoirmance (so 4hp less peak performance), but you get loads of torque in low revs in return.

    I don't know how efficient it's cooling is. There is enough room in the manifold for large heat exchangers.

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    hmm the eaton does 62% which is not bad I think. The lysholm twinscrew (1600) does about 65% max efficiency and a vortech v3si does 78% (but that bandwith is very narrow).
    So it's not that bad for a positive displacement charger I think.
    Last edited by GuidoK; 01-23-2013 at 02:00 PM. Reason: looked at compressor maps

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by GuidoK Click here to enlarge
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    You mean being a rootes charger? (at least I think its rootes, being eaton
    Yes, it's a roots.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by GuidoK Click here to enlarge
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    That said a twinscrew is also less efficient than a cetrifugal. It will cost you maybe 4hp more on peak perfoirmance (so 4hp less peak performance), but you get loads of torque in low revs in return.
    Exactly, you get the gain down low and instant boost.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by GuidoK Click here to enlarge
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    hmm the eaton does 62% which is not bad I think. The lysholm twinscrew (1600) does about 65% max efficiency and a vortech v3si does 78% (but that bandwith is very narrow).
    So it's not that bad for a positive displacement charger I think.
    Twin screw is really much better but any of them will make power.

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    roots is cheap to make Click here to enlarge (and still the SLR was expensive Click here to enlarge))

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by GuidoK Click here to enlarge
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    roots is cheap to make Click here to enlarge (and still the SLR was expensive Click here to enlarge))
    Definitely valid.

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    A few centrifugal designs. Im actaully removing my T trim and most likely going with one large charger or two smallers. Although more complex with two, I absolutely love the idea

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Ballard540 Click here to enlarge
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    A few centrifugal designs. Im actaully removing my T trim and most likely going with one large charger or two smallers. Although more complex with two, I absolutely love the idea
    I love the idea of two as well but that is going to be A LOT harder.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
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    I love the idea of two as well but that is going to be A LOT harder.
    I know Click here to enlarge

    Which ultimately I may end up going with a twin just because of the fact I love the idea. Even if it will be a mechanical and tuning nightmare..... time will tell. Waiting on a couple reply from CA and Mr.X

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by GuidoK Click here to enlarge
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    I don't know if you're going to install it yourself and where you're situated, but support is everyting.
    Send them an email, requesting a builders manual etc, see what you get and how they react.
    If you get clear answers and fast, good help, it's an indication how they will help you once the kit has been sold
    Because it's likely you will call them if you have no experience in installing these kits. Most of the time something is not clear in the manual, or something doesn't fit like it should do etc. It's more an adventure than an installation Click here to enlarge (depending on the complexity of the kit off course)
    ESS doesn't mention any kit anymore in their webshop. (I think they used to have a vortech V3si kit)

    I don't know if there's a positive displacement option on the market. It might suit the relatively low revving V8's both in performance and benefits to daily driving.
    I asked for the installation instructions, but he said he had an issue where someone had stolen his plans and then copied his system. He only finally sent me the instructions after I negotiated a price and paid for his system. He said it'll take about a month to get made and shipped, so I've got more time to keep doing research. I've got the instruction in my email via a Word document, but like all other conversations with him, it's a very poor German to English translation via Google Translate. Anyone w/ suggestions as to where I can post the instructions and then be able to link onto forums for free?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by m5james Click here to enlarge
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    Anyone w/ suggestions as to where I can post the instructions and then be able to link onto forums for free?
    E-mailed you as requested. I'll post them up and feel free to link to instructions.

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    Try again, attach it via my original PM because I'm not getting it.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by m5james Click here to enlarge
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    Try again, attach it via my original PM because I'm not getting it.
    Maybe you should just e-mail me admin@germanboost.com

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    Sent. Don't laught too hard at the poor German to English Google Translate interpretation, I've asked him for the original German version. A friend who's got more mechanical skills than I went (M3 swap into a 318ti, higher boost in his E34 540 and has engines to spare, etc) went over the instructions with me and we both noticed that even the pics in the instructions are older, outdated pics compared to the revised version he's got in newer eBay pics. Right now I'm just trying to do as much homework as possible before it arrives. The concept of using the SC, his intercooling system and a few other bits I'm ok with, it's getting the tuning and larger injectors (both I think which this kit needs to make it safer) are what I'm hoping to get reviews and opinions ultimately on.

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    So you've bought that jaguar/eaton m112 supercharger kit for the M62?
    And that is including the ecu tuning?

    Is that this sc kit?:
    http://www.ebay.de/itm/Supercharger-...item4ad055707a

    http://www.jg-supercharger.com/

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    Yes, bought and paid for w/ a discount. I've also gotten him to agree to send me throttle provisions for use in both of my cars, a non-VANOS 740il6 and an VANOS X5.

    Mind you these instructions contain old pics (you can see newer tubing and other design changes on current eBay adds) and is a VERY poor German to English translation, here are the installation instructions - http://static.daom.nl/e38_eaton112compressor.pdf I'v asked him for the German version to which I'll post also, then I'll have a friend translate it for me in person and see if we can post something more easily understood. Once my friend and I do the install, I fully intend to document EVERYTHING and see about even re-writing the instructions for this guy.

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