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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
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    not to beat a N/A S65
    Probably because it has 6.2 liters. Just a guess.

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    GM "Cam only" is the same language as FBO to BMW owners. That's not a slow vette, but this is not really a fast M3.

    IIRC the stroker cars make 430-440whp how they come, and FBO M3's are doing 390-410 with a solid dyno tune. More development will get better NA numbers with the stroker cars, but i'd bet they are all still in the 117-120mph trap range..
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by onurleft Click here to enlarge
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    IIRC the stroker cars make 430-440whp how they come, and FBO M3's are doing 390-410 with a solid dyno tune. More development will get better NA numbers with the stroker cars, but i'd bet they are all still in the 117-120mph trap range..
    You are quite correct.

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    Nice run. Nothing surprising. I wouldn't buy an M3 if doing freeway pulls is the main goal.


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    I wouldn't buy an M3 if doing freeway pulls is the main goal.
    Are you sure that's not the audience BMW targets with the M3?

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    A few things... The C5 Z06 are fast stock..I have driven one and can tell you they are no joke especially modded! They weight around 3100 lbs and make 405hp. They run high 11's at 118-119 stock. As we all know all LS types V8s respond well to mods. The intake, cam, and exhaust push that car to 500hp easy. They make 430whp all day long..... That M3 is not slow it makes roughly to the same power but here is the reason it gets beaten so badly.. Weight! E92 M3s weight 3700lbs, Not to mention those Hartge wheels are really heavy! So were are talking 600 lbs + difference with same power.. The results do not surprise me.. As for being Dinan being overpriced I agree. But built engines for a car of this caliber are not cheap, I love the continuation of the NA philosophy personally.. FI is the way to go for power and per dollar on M3s hands down... ... To each his own... Give me the M3 any day.Take care

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mpowerct Click here to enlarge
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    A few things... The C5 Z06 are fast stock..I have driven one and can tell you they are no joke especially modded! They weight around 3100 lbs and make 405hp. They run high 11's at 118-119 stock. As we all know all LS types V8s respond well to mods. The intake, cam, and exhaust push that car to 500hp easy. They make 430whp all day long..... That M3 is not slow it makes roughly to the same power but here is the reason it gets beaten so badly.. Weight! E92 M3s weight 3700lbs, Not to mention those Hartge wheels are really heavy! So were are talking 600 lbs + difference with same power.. The results do not surprise me.. As for being Dinan being overpriced I agree. But built engines for a car of this caliber are not cheap, I love the continuation of the NA philosophy personally.. FI is the way to go for power and per dollar on M3s hands down... ... To each his own... Give me the M3 any day.Take care
    Ugh, this misinformation on forums is damn ridiculous. Especially when it's so easy to just simply search. Everything is on google. The E92 M3 weighs 3552 lbs. Inside line shows the weight at 3700 lbs but have tested a few in the 3500 range. Realistically, the E92 weighs 120 lbs more than the E46 M3. Not that much weight considering the overall size difference. ,

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    Its the power under the curve and tq curve of the Vette thats killing him. The weight merely multiples it and I will give anyone that concession all day. Still the M is very nice as a overall package. But as pointed out its so easy to mod that LS motor for power... Cam, springs and lifters, cold air intake and long tube headers coupled with a tune make silly power on the motor. Swap to a FAST intake and ported stock heads and near 500whp is obtainable with a driveable cam.

    Even with the lighter weight you mentioned factored in I think the Vette just has superior power to weight and great gearing on its side. Its tq band doesnt hurt either LOL
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mpowerct Click here to enlarge
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    They run high 11's at 118-119 stock
    They run 119 stock just like a C6 Z06 runs 128 stock. In perfect freezing weather conditions with an amazing driver and it happens once a year. It's really a 115 car.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by StinkyM Click here to enlarge
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    Ugh, this misinformation on forums is damn ridiculous. Especially when it's so easy to just simply search. Everything is on google. The E92 M3 weighs 3552 lbs. Inside line shows the weight at 3700 lbs but have tested a few in the 3500 range. Realistically, the E92 weighs 120 lbs more than the E46 M3. Not that much weight considering the overall size difference. ,

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    I don't understand why people are so far behind on the topic of the M3 weight and where the 37XX bull$#@! comes from. The M3 is lightweight for its class.

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    M3's cant race corvettes.. they are not in the same "class"

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
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    M3's cant race corvettes.. they are not in the same "class"
    If your goal is roll racing. I don't really see why someone would choose an M3. There is proven evidence other platforms are better and cheaper to build.

    The M3 is complete package car. A car that can used as a daily driver, carry 4-5 passengers, and the owner can take it to road course on the weekends. In that sense, it is a fantastic car.

    I really fail to understand this obsession of making the M3 a freeway racer or drag car. It is not developed from factory for any of that in mind.


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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M3_WC Click here to enlarge
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    I don't really see why someone would choose an M3. There is proven evidence other platforms are better and cheaper to build.
    This still isn't being understood?

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    I really fail to understand this obsession of making the M3 a freeway racer or drag car. It is not developed from factory for any of that in mind.
    Maybe you're writing in the wrong language?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M3_WC Click here to enlarge
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    If your goal is roll racing. I don't really see why someone would choose an M3. There is proven evidence other platforms are better and cheaper to build.

    The M3 is complete package car. A car that can used as a daily driver, carry 4-5 passengers, and the owner can take it to road course on the weekends. In that sense, it is a fantastic car.

    I really fail to understand this obsession of making the M3 a freeway racer or drag car. It is not developed from factory for any of that in mind.

    you fail to see what i said. i said, its motor is lacking power. BMW delivered an awesome car, with a $#@!ty motor. comparitivly. does it do everything well? sure, but it would be a feared car if it came with more N/A power. how can you argue that? boosted S65's are crazy.. $#@!ty deal that you have to go aftermarket to get mid 400's and be competitive.. THATS what i said, regardless of which way way a foy retards tryi to twist it.

    how is a 2 door, sporty, V8 powered, rwd car, not "the car" for a guy looking for a sporty 2 door, v8 powered, rwd car?

    ill tell you why, because the motor isnt as stroing as the rest of the 2 door, v8 powered, rwd cars you can buy.. some for less, some for equal, and some for more..

    make sense yet?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
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    you fail to see what i said. i said, its motor is lacking power.
    No we all get what you're saying. You don't get why it's an idiotic comment. You're obsessed with acceleration performance in roll on racing as a defining characteristic and don't even see why this thinking is a problem.

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    BMW delivered an awesome car, with a $#@!ty motor.
    Seriously, give it a rest. These comments are ignorant, juvenile, and just plain dumb.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
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    No we all get what you're saying. You don't get why it's an idiotic comment. You're obsessed with acceleration performance in roll on racing as a defining characteristic and don't even see why this thinking is a problem.

    NO, YOUR INTERPRETATION OF MY COMMENT IS THAT IM OBSESSED WITH RACING. ODDLY, RACING, IN A RACE BRED CAR, I ASSUME IS WRONG.. THER IS NO WAY TO misconstrue the point it does not have enough power.. anything it does well, would be better with more power.. fact

    Seriously, give it a rest. These comments are ignorant, juvenile, and just plain dumb.
    right.. coming from the guy that had to boost his motor.. saying the motor is impressive, but HAS to add boost.. so idiotic, i know
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
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    you fail to see what i said. i said, its motor is lacking power. BMW delivered an awesome car, with a $#@!ty motor. comparitivly. does it do everything well? sure, but it would be a feared car if it came with more N/A power. how can you argue that? boosted S65's are crazy.. $#@!ty deal that you have to go aftermarket to get mid 400's and be competitive.. THATS what i said, regardless of which way way a foy retards tryi to twist it.
    I guess my stance is you don't need anymore hp to have fun. Honestly a good driver can have fun all day at the track in a miata. The S65 does everything I could ask at my local track. If not more. Another 20-30hp isn't really going to accomplish anything. M3 really couldn't get any more balanced and high revving motor to me is sublime. Most people could benefit from driver mods (aka driving lessons), than mods on their car.
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    right.. coming from the guy that had to boost his motor.. saying the motor is impressive, but HAS to add boost.. so idiotic, i know
    I didn't have to do anything. I boosted it for more power. Not to make it better and aspects of the stock S65 ARE better than the boosted motor.

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    I guess my stance is you don't need anymore hp to have fun. Honestly a good driver can have fun all day at the track in a miata. The S65 does everything I could ask at my local track. If not more. Another 20-30hp isn't really going to accomplish anything. M3 really couldn't get any more balanced and high revving motor to me is sublime. Most people could benefit from driver mods (aka driving lessons), than mods on their car.
    It's getting tiring repeating this.

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    I didn't have to do anything. I boosted it for more power. Not to make it better and aspects of the stock S65 ARE better than the boosted motor.
    Thats an interesting statement... So if you were happy with the motor and power what led to boost and subsequently a built motor?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M3_WC Click here to enlarge
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    If your goal is roll racing. I don't really see why someone would choose an M3. There is proven evidence other platforms are better and cheaper to build.

    The M3 is complete package car. A car that can used as a daily driver, carry 4-5 passengers, and the owner can take it to road course on the weekends. In that sense, it is a fantastic car.

    I really fail to understand this obsession of making the M3 a freeway racer or drag car. It is not developed from factory for any of that in mind.
    Nobody designs an OEM platform for roll racing... That being said the majority of M3 owners spend their time on the road. Stop light to stop light, merging into traffic and highways are where most spend their time. Thats where their short comings in daily driving show up.

    I get the road course point, thats where the platform is mean to excel. It does very well there indeed, I think @LostMarine is really speaking to his view of the motor. Specifically that if it had more power NA it could be more competitive in all aspects. Its a great chassis with only a good motor so to speak...
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M3_WC Click here to enlarge
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    I guess my stance is you don't need anymore hp to have fun. Honestly a good driver can have fun all day at the track in a miata. The S65 does everything I could ask at my local track. If not more. Another 20-30hp isn't really going to accomplish anything. M3 really couldn't get any more balanced and high revving motor to me is sublime. Most people could benefit from driver mods (aka driving lessons), than mods on their car.

    i never said anything about fun. the m3 is fun. i said it would be an ass kicker if it had , or was capable of, more power n/a-basic bolt on.. the miata and s2k are far far better options, and faster.. right? once again, im not talking 20-30 more, it would need 50 more, N/A-bolt-on to have achieved an epic status. but once again, according to sticky, the s2k is a better car/motor, faster, and more impressive..

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    Thats an interesting statement... So if you were happy with the motor and power what led to boost and subsequently a built motor?
    BINGO! its so impressive in n/a form, HE HAD TO BOOST it, to get it to be competitive.. but if asked, its plenty capable in N/A form.. but he HAD TO BOOST IT, for it to be competitive.. oddly, im the only one repeating common sense..

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